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TLC Podcast Episode 75: Mike Marrinan on Police Accountability

September 11, 2020|

In this timely podcast, TLC alum and faculty member Mike Marrinan discusses how holding police accountable in modest abuse cases could prevent more serious cases. Mike is a San Diego attorney dedicated to representing victims of police misconduct in state and federal civil rights cases. According to Mike, police culture [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 74: Rafe Foreman on Trial Skills Foundation Training at the Trial Lawyers College

August 29, 2020|

In this week's podcast, host Rafe Foreman takes you on a journey through the essential TLC Trial Skills, from voir dire through to closing argument. Gain insights on how best to integrate TLC's groundbreaking methods into your case as Rafe describes the how and why of the various skills and [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 73: Ron Estefan on the TLC F Warrior Alumni Organization and TLC Fall Virtual Seminars

August 15, 2020|

"When you walk into a courtroom with TLC training...you're exactly what the jury doesn't expect a lawyer to be. You're a human being, and there is a common bond, and walls coming down between jurors and TLC-trained lawyers." In this week's podcast, host Rafe Foreman talks to TLC faculty member [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 71: Vicki Slater on the History and Future of the Jury Trial

July 31, 2020|

It began for us back in 1215, when King John signed the greatest document of freedom and human rights ever imagined. That document, the Magna Carta, established the full right to a trial by jury of your peers. In today's podcast, TLC alum and faculty member Vicki Slater (TLC 2003) takes [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 70: TLC Grad Ben Cloward Talks With a Juror from His Recent Trial

July 24, 2020|

 Have you ever wanted to talk to the jury after a trial? TLC podcast host Rafe Foreman recommends it, and in fact insists on it himself. Imagine the insights you could gain from talking to an actual juror about the trial. Today we have what is likely to be [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 69: Renee Stackhouse on Applying TLC Voir Dire Methods In and Out of the Courtroom

July 17, 2020|

“If there’s one takeaway from this entire thing, it’s if you’re arguing, you’re losing. No matter where you are in life -- whether it’s a courtroom or with your significant other or your best friend or a complete stranger -- if you’re arguing, you’re already down the wrong path, so [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 68: TLC Faculty Member Greg Westfall on Forging Connections in Criminal Defense Cases

July 10, 2020|

"How you spell love with your clients is exactly how you spell love with your kids. T-I-M-E. And if I’ve got to go and sit in a holdover with my client and get his story, I will." TLC Podcast host Rafe Foreman interviews TLC graduate, trial lawyer, and faculty member [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 66: Exoneree Darryl Burton Issues a Challenge to TLC Alumni

June 23, 2020|

Tick tock, tick tock, drip, drip, drip. For over 25 years, these sounds and the screams of mankind -- literal screams, the kind you cannot forget -- disturbed this week's special guest from his peace. Darryl Burton served hard time for a murder he did not commit. The compelling story [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 65: TLC Board Member Milton Grimes on the Struggle for Racial Justice

June 16, 2020|

Milton Grimes is a true American treasure. He is perhaps best known for his representation of Rodney King, whose savage beating at the hands of police, followed by the acquittal of the officers involved, sparked the 1991 LA riots. In addition to being a long-time TLC faculty member and serving [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 62: TLC Board Member JR Clary on the Importance of Story

May 25, 2020|

"The College will always have that psychodramatic underpinning, that self-discovery and true knowledge of self, coupled with love,  the most powerful thing there is. You can be who you are and be powerful. You don't have to be anybody else. You are enough." TLC Board member JR Clary talks openly [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 61: Artist Janie Lowe on Telling Your Client’s Story Through Art

May 19, 2020|

"During my trip, I learned that in Latin American culture, hummingbirds symbolize strength, hope and migration. I knew that I wanted to use that symbol in my paintings when I got home."  TLC Podcast host Rafe Foreman interviews Portland artist Janie Lowe on her travels along the US/Mexico border and [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 60: TLC President John Sloan on the Strength of the Trial Lawyers College

May 11, 2020|

"I believe...we’re going to see an incredible explosion in everything that TLC is, everything that TLC stands for, and everything that TLC can be." TLC Podcast host Rafe Foreman interviews TLC President John Sloan on the strength of the Trial Lawyers College. A TLC graduate and seasoned trial lawyer, John [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 59: TLC Alumni Bruce Phillips on Thriving in Tough Times

May 4, 2020|

TLC Podcast host Rafe Foreman interviews TLC graduate, trial lawyer, and focus group researcher Bruce Phillips on creative ways to continue to drive your cases and your practice forward during tough times. In this wide-ranging interview, Bruce describes how he has come to see the importance of blending the personal [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 57: Dr. Ben Edwards on the Crossroads of Medicine and the Law

April 13, 2020|

"Medical school taught me how to diagnose symptoms and how to give the drug to treat... There is no money in chronic disease resolution; there is money in chronic disease management." The TLC Podcast branches out this month as host Rafe Foreman interviews Texas physician, Dr. Ben Edwards, on the [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 56: TLC Faculty Member Terry Lenamon on Trying Death Penalty Cases

March 30, 2020|

"When you're representing the guy that everybody hates, it is rewarding to use the skills I learned at TLC to bring forth that person's humanity." TLC Podcast host Rafe Foreman interviews trial lawyer and TLC graduate and faculty member Terry Lenamon on trying death penalty cases armed with methods learned [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 55: TLC Graduate Benjamin Cloward on How TLC Methods Translate to Trial Wins

March 10, 2020|

 “There’s not another community, ListServ, organization, or school of thought like TLC.” - Ben Cloward TLC Podcast host Rafe Foreman interviews TLC Graduate Benjamin Cloward (TLC Sept 2013) on how the methods taught in TLC courses translate to actual use in a trial. Ben is a partner in the [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 54: Valeri Malone on Incorporating TLC Methods into Your Practice and Your Life

February 12, 2020|

"There's no perfect case, there's no perfect person, there's no perfect client, there's no perfect juror... it's just owning all of that and then delivering it to them in your client's story." - Valeri Malone TLC Podcast host Rafe Foreman interviews Valeri Malone on how she has incorporated the methods [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 53: TLC Board Member, Maren Chaloupka on Serving the Mentally Ill

January 23, 2020|

Episode 53: TLC Board Member, Maren Chaloupka on Serving the Mentally Ill "If being a lawyer is a calling, and I believe it is, being a trial lawyer, then service to those who are in the throes of something that they can't understand is a huge part of that calling." [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 52: Trying an Honest Case with TLC Faculty Members, Brooks Cutter & Scott Glovsky

November 7, 2019|

 Episode 52: Trying an Honest Case with Faculty Members Brooks Cutter and Scott Glovsky "Even though my client had such a huge life with several different women and all these different children, he had managed to have a loving relationship with each of them and so for me, that [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 51: TLC Faculty Member, Jacqui Ford on Reputation In and Out of the Courtroom

August 29, 2019|

 Episode 51: TLC Faculty Member, Jacqui Ford on Reputation In and Out of the Courtroom "If I want my jurors to be free to open up; if I want them to free themselves of their anxiety so they can come to creative energy, this is where I want my [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 50: Co-Leaders Mel Orchard & Vicki Slater on Restructure of TLCs Graduate-1

August 6, 2019|

Episode 50: Co-Leaders Mel Orchard & Vicki Slater on Restructure of TLCs Graduate-1 "We're trying to empower the students and really all of ourselves as Trial Lawyers to be able to utilize every means available to communicate our clients' cases. That's really the bottom line of it and to make [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 49: Maryland Grad, Ian Anthony on the Disparity Between Law School and Trial Lawyers College

May 17, 2019|

Episode 49: Maryland Grad, Ian Anthony on the Disparity Between Law School and Trial Lawyers College  "When I got to law school, I felt it to be very rigid. There is a system of scoring people, a system for questioning students, and a system for instruction; it felt very boxed-in [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 47: Faculty Member, Frank Mungo Talks Story Structure Using TLC Methods

March 28, 2019|

Episode 47: Faculty Member, Frank Mungo Talks Story Structure Using TLC Methods "First thing you want to do is set the scene. Then you want to transport your audience by telling the story in the present tense. Because then they can start seeing what the character sees as the story [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 46: How Technology is Threatening our Personal Privacy with 2018 Grad, Tor Ekeland

March 1, 2019|

 Episode 46: How Technology is Threatening our Personal Privacy with 2018 Grad, Tor Ekeland "In our country right now, if not the entire world, there is a battle or war going on, on who gets to control the information. In the last 10-20 years, we’ve seen the rise of [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 44: The Effectiveness of Psychodrama with Faculty Member, John Naizby

January 4, 2019|

Episode 44: The Effectiveness of Psychodrama with Faculty Member, John Naizby "Cancer has been a gift in some ways that I've really learned how precious every day is. And how to live in the present and not the future or the past, to really value every connection you have with [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 43: TLC Faculty Member, Eric Ganci on What it Takes to be a Top Rated DUI Lawyer

December 6, 2018|

Episode 43: TLC Faculty Member, Eric Ganci on What it Takes to be a Top Rated DUI Lawyer "There is so much math, science, and procedure that goes into taking a DUI case especially when you get into alcohol levels, alcohol absorption elimination, blood testing, breath testing, and more. If [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 42: Birth Injury Attorney, Nelson Tyrone on Incorporating Psychodrama

November 15, 2018|

 Episode 42: Birth Injury Attorney, Nelson Tyrone on Incorporating Psychodrama "If I represent the child, I will speak as the unborn child. I will speak in first person at some point, to the jury, what is happening in the womb, what I am feeling, that I know something is [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 41: Faculty Member and Missouri PD Laura O’Sullivan on the Nationwide Public Defender Crisis

October 25, 2018|

 Episode 41: Faculty Member and Missouri PD Laura O'Sullivan on the Nationwide Public Defender Crisis "I found myself with a case load of 100 cases. I am an experienced attorney, so 6 of those were homicide cases and several others were sex cases. There is just no way that anyone [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 40: Faculty Member Betsy Greene on How Far the TLC Method Can Be Taken

October 4, 2018|

 Episode 40: Faculty Member Betsy Greene on How Far the TLC Method Can Be Taken "Initially, I wanted to be a Criminal Defense Lawyer but then when I was a prosecutor, I had a lot of ability to help people. I really enjoy helping people. One of the greatest things [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 39: Exoneree, Darryl Burton on Miracle of Innocence

August 23, 2018|

Episode 39: Exoneree, Darryl Burton on Miracle of Innocence "The judge asked the lawyer, 'Do you have anything you’d like to say before we pronounce sentence against your client?' She said, 'No, your honor.' I said, 'Wait a minute. I want to say something. Can I say something?' He said, [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 38: TLC Faculty, Daniel Rodriguez on Discovering the Story of the Taft School Shooting

July 26, 2018|

Episode 38: TLC Faculty, Daniel Rodriguez on Discovering the Story of the Taft School Shooting "Shootings that take place at schools, universally, are not something that happens unexpectedly. Usually what happens starts gradually, it builds up. If you talk to school psychologist on this type of situation, they will tell [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 36: Behind the Scenes of a Medical Malpractice Case with TLC Faculty Member, Eric Fong

May 31, 2018|

Episode 36: Behind the Scenes of a Medical Malpractice Case with TLC Faculty Member, Eric Fong  "The deal was always that I was going to make the strategic choices, at least in my mind, right? When you're in trial, you cannot have competing paths or theories, and you can't have multiple [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 35: TLC Psychodramatists Explain the Importance of Psychodrama in the Courtroom

May 4, 2018|

Episode 35: TLC Psychodramatists Explain the Importance of Psychodrama in the Courtroom "As psychodramatists, we are storytellers." Says Louise Lipman, TLC Psychodramatist. "You get a chance to tell the story as it's happening in the present moment."  The process of a psychodrama session allows you to take the story out of your brain, [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 34: Kim Savo Interviews Scott Glovsky on the Impact of Storytelling

April 5, 2018|

Episode 34: Kim Savo Interviews Scott Glovsky on the Impact of Storytelling Today, Kim Savo, a Trial Lawyers College faculty member interviews Trial Lawyer Talk host, and host of many TLC Podcast Episodes, Scott Glovsky. The Trial Lawyers College is fortunate to have these two attorneys on the faculty team. For many [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 33: TLC Faculty Member, Corinne Mullen on Connecting with Jurors

March 8, 2018|

 Episode 33: TLC Faculty Member, Corinne Mullen on Connecting with Jurors Corinne Mullen is a dedicated alumnus and faculty member of the Trial Lawyers College and has been since she graduated from the 3-Week College in 1997. TLC is lucky to have such a phenomenal lawyer be a large [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 32: California Regional Co-Leader Mel Orchard on Growing from Losses

February 15, 2018|

Episode 32: California Regional Co-Leader Mel Orchard on Growing from Losses Scott Glovsky interviews Mel Orchard, managing partner of the Spence Law firm in Wyoming and senior faculty member of the Trial Lawyer’s College. Mel receives a call from a colleague in Minnesota that essentially says a case will likely [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 31: Terry Lenamon Talks Death Penalty Case in Florida

January 18, 2018|

Episode 31: Terry Lenamon Talks Death Penalty Case in Florida We are going to continue sharing our 2007 TLC Graduate and Faculty Member, Scott Glovsky’s interviews with some of TLC’s faculty, board members, and students, hearing their stories and how they continue to bring justice to our nation. Today, Scott [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 29: TLC Faculty, Connie Henderson on Medical Malpractice

September 11, 2017|

Episode 29: TLC Faculty, Connie Henderson on Medical Malpractice "The most important thing to be able to represent people in these cases is to have access to medical practitioners who are willing to testify in medical negligence cases and that can be extremely hard. One thing we really spend a [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 28: Eric Fong on Work/Life Balance and Details of Cross Examination

August 18, 2017|

Episode 28: Eric Fong on Work/Life Balance and Details of Cross Examination "I want to put a big dent into the credibility of the defendants, of the lawyers, of the witness. I want to show that they are not coming into the courtroom with integrity.. I want to prove my case [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 27: Ron Estefan on the Currency of Credibility in the Courtroom

August 3, 2017|

Episode 27: Ron Estefan on the Currency of Credibility in the Courtroom "A lot of people have this sense that the voir dire is almost like a throwaway part of a trial. You get up there talk to these jurors, and some people just throw up their hands and say 'we're [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 25: Chris Trundy on How to Tap Into Your Own Greatness in Trial Law

May 25, 2017|

Episode 25: Chris Trundy on How to Tap Into Your Own Greatness in Trial Law "It was a real struggle for me, because I like to do things my own way, and going into courtrooms and watching people try cases when I first started trying cases, you would watch people try [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 23: Better Lawyering Through Psychodrama with Pychodramatist Kathryn St.Clair

May 12, 2017|

 Episode 23: Better Lawyering Through Psychodrama with Pychodramatist Kathryn St.Clair "This was Gerry's belief and it's written in his autobiography, but Gerry was apart of the 50's and 60's, the encounter movement. There was a lot of psychodrama used then. Gerry had found that very helpful in helping him [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 22: Greg Westfall, Criminal Defense Lawyer and TLC Faculty, on Racism and Victimhood in America

April 30, 2017|

Episode 22: Greg Westfall, Criminal Defense Lawyer and TLC Faculty, on Racism and Victimhood in America "When you grow up with it around you, it's very easy to fall into those thoughts of racism and never be able to get out. You have to evolve. And being a trial lawyer [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 21: Criminal Defense Lawyer, Don Malarcik, on the Most Powerful Forces in Trial

April 23, 2017|

Episode 21: Criminal Defense Lawyer, Don Malarcik, on the Most Powerful Forces in Trial "It's very tempting to put up your defense mechanisms that we've all honed over for years and decades and to try not to feel. But you can't be effective in a death case, or any trial without [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 20: Paula Estefan on Hostile Jurors, Empathy and Getting the Jury to Engage

April 3, 2017|

Episode 20: Paula Estefan on Hostile Jurors, Empathy and Getting the Jury to Engage "I think we all are fearful of the hostile juror that starts talking about tort-reform but I've learned to embrace that person instead of either fighting them or running from them because those are really the [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 19: Colby Vokey on The Method of Bringing Your Client’s Story to Life

March 28, 2017|

Episode 19: Colby Vokey on The Method of Bringing Your Client's Story to Life "I knew there was something wrong in the investigation, it just didn't fit. But at the same time, as I kept looking at all the statements from the marines, not one of them were coming up [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 18: Attorney Kent Spence & the History of the Trial Lawyers College

March 25, 2017|

Episode 18: Attorney Kent Spence & the History of the Trial Lawyers College "It's all real because we are taking a story brought into dramatic action and it's brought to life in the courtroom as though it was a well-done movie. And the jury gets lost in the emotion of [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 17: Battle for Credibility During Voir Dire with TLC President John Sloan

March 15, 2017|

Episode 17: Battle for Credibility During Voir Dire with TLC President John Sloan "The change in the method started with my going to the Trial Lawyers College. I was a student there in the summer of 1998, and in 1998 I had already been trying cases for 18 years and [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 15: Attorney Josh Schiffer on What Lawyering is Supposed to Look Like

March 1, 2017|

Episode 15: Attorney Josh Schiffer on What Lawyering is Supposed to Look Like "Shaking loose the terrible methods taught in law school for direct examination was a giant benefit for me from TLC. It's by practicing this stuff that you get comfortable with it and is now much more second [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 14: Why Direct Exam is So Important to Criminal Defense Lawyer Don Malarcik

February 23, 2017|

 Episode 14: Why Direct Exam is So Important to Criminal Defense Lawyer Don Malarcik "I can't imagine a more difficult decision for any criminal defense lawyer when they're facing a trial than whether or not you put your client on. I'm predisposed not to put your client on, but [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 13: Strong Direct Examinations Build Strong Stories with Betsy Greene

February 20, 2017|

Episode 13: Strong TLC Direct Examination Builds Strong Stories with Betsy Greene "If you think of a traditional direct examination is kind of 2-dimensional. If you think of a TLC direct examination, it comes to life, it becomes 3-dimensional. It involves all of the scenes. We invite the jury in [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 12: The Importance of Perspective with Rafe Foreman

February 18, 2017|

Episode 12: The Importance of Perspective with Rafe Foreman "I realized from the very first moment I stepped foot on the Trial Lawyers College campus that I was not being accurately perceived. In other words maybe it's accurate for the person that's perceiving me, but it's not accurate in the [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 11: Joshua Karton Talks Stage Fright, Teaching Lawyers & Communication Techniques in Trial

January 23, 2017|

Episode 11: Joshua Karton Talks Stage Fright, Teaching Lawyers & Communication Techniques in Trial "The script, no matter how brilliant, cannot be the performance. And because I had to understand that, it became useful in working with trial lawyers because all of the early training for the trial lawyer is [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 10: HOW TO WIN the Most Emotionally Charged Cases Using TLC Methods

January 14, 2017|

Episode 10: HOW TO WIN the Most Emotionally Charged Cases Using TLC Methods "The only way we get to that place of understanding is through the psychodrama techniques like role reversal. We were really trying to get inside of our clients head. When Ken prepared a cross-examination, they were like best [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 8: TLC’s Executive Director Laurie Goodman Talks Wyoming, Advocacy, and the Impact of the Trial Lawyers College

November 19, 2016|

Episode 8: TLC's Executive Director Laurie Goodman Talks Wyoming, Advocacy, and the Impact of the Trial Lawyers College "What we provide, is not just an institutional program or a typical CLE where you come to one time, you learn from a certain faculty member or skill. The Trial Lawyers College [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 7: Attorney Joe Fried Talks Fighting Ford, Motivations, and Sacrifices of a Trial Lawyer

November 14, 2016|

Episode 7: Attorney Joe Fried Talks Fighting Ford, Motivations, and Sacrifices of a Trial Lawyer "I don't believe in many coincidences. I think things happen and there is something that guides that. Something compelled me and as you fast forward through this story of Joe, just a couple of months [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 6: Attorney Dana Cole Talks About The Intersection of Teaching & Trial Law

November 3, 2016|

Episode 6: Attorney Dana Cole Talks About The Intersection of Teaching & Trial Law "I think that the most successful trial lawyers I know are people that genuinely care about their clients. I think they understand that if they take the time to care for their clients, the money or [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 5: David Gutierrez Talks About Courage & the Power of Listening

October 20, 2016|

 Episode 5: Attorney David Gutierrez Talks About Courage & the Power of Listening "So I just felt that the case was over. I wanted things to go away. I felt defeated. I remember I felt I thought, all of these people that talk about trial, talk about this, that [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 4: Trial Attorney Nelson Tyrone & the Extraordinary Power of Story

September 29, 2016|

Episode 4: Trial Attorney Nelson Tyrone & the Extraordinary Power of Story "I really came to believe that a lawyer can overcome a much bigger more powerful opponent like the US Government. I came to believe powerfully in the power of story metaphor that there are human truths that we all understand [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 03: Plaintiff’s Attorney Betsy Greene Shares Insights Gained from Years as a Prosecutor

September 22, 2016|

 Episode 03: Plaintiff's Attorney Betsy Greene, Shares Insights Gained from Years as a Prosecutor and Later, a Personal Injury Attorney Attorney Evan Lloyd interviews fellow attorney Betsy Greene at the Ranch and covers a range of topics - Betsy's inspirations for becoming a lawyer (yes, Perry Mason is in the [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 02: Interviewing R. Rex Parris; Overcoming Fear, Cognitive Science, and Connecting with Juries

September 14, 2016|

 Episode 02: R. Rex Parris on Overcoming Fear, Cognitive Science, and Connecting with Juries Attorney R. Rex Parris is our guest in this episode. Rex has more than 30 years experience in the courtroom and as managing partner of his firm, he is a true wealth of knowledge and insight. [...]

TLC Podcast Episode 01: Gerry Spence on the Trial Lawyers College Podcast

March 30, 2016|

Episode 01: Gerry Spence on Trial Lawyers College Podcast Trial Lawyers College (TLC) Executive Director, Laurie Goodman, interviews the founder of TLC and famed Trial Lawyer, Gerry Spence. Gerry's career has spanned over 60 years never having lost a criminal case and who hasn't lost a civil case since 1969. [...]